i got up, turned on cnn. of course, it was all over the news, the story, i was stunned like the rest of the world. i don't think anybody expected the announcement today. in fact, i was talking with ind even an expectation that this would happen. so, it really was a shocking announce ma announce: >> you had a meeting scheduled with the pope? >> yeah, i was invited to a private audience on march the 6th, of, you know the coming year, i was going to be in rome for a meeting of the board of trustees for saint john's university, and i was going to have a private meeting and now that has all changed. >> walk us through the process and your understanding, what happens, he steps down at the end of the month, there will be a period that there's no pope, what happens before a new pope is elect eelected? >> it's unusual, it has not happened for almost 700 years, the last time the pope resigned, one of the gregorys -- the pope has always died in office. so we had a period of mourning and mass and then the cardinals would